We have a special guest on to discuss episodes 1.16 “Je Suis Une Amie” and 1.17 “The New Normal”! Our conversation goes all over the place and covers water sports (lol), homophobia, the benefits of journaling, the lack of ginger representation, and power dynamics between Hanna and Caleb. Even if you try, we don’t think you can have a parasocial relationship with your actual friends. Take it sleazy, bitches!

Content notes: we don’t usually warn for things that happen in PLL itself, but from 27:30 to 31:35, our special guest talks about homophobic and transphobic bullying and assault that he faced in high school, especially playing water polo.

Also: this podcast was recorded months ago, but we stand strongly in support with Palestinian liberation and against the genocide Israel is perpetrating in the name of apartheid and settler colonialism. We decry efforts to erase the decades of structural violence against Palestinians and to pretend that it is antisemitic to oppose genocide. If you don’t agree, please fuck off.

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Deepa’s Literary Analysis
  • Leonard Adams is not a real author, but Byron and Ezra’s discussion of his books lacks even a suggestion of depth
Things We Referenced Sort of Related to PLL
  • Sasha Pieterse talking about her difficulty getting a diagnosis for PCOS
  • Deepa has Ravenswood on iTunes, except for the pilot 
  • The PLL MBTI chart created by Heather Hogan in 2013
  • Cameron’s birthday present to Deepa in 2014, where she cross-referenced the PLL MBTI chart with this 2013 Jezebel article and gave Deepa a (decorated!) bottle matched to each of the Liars
Pretty Little Liars MBTI Personality Profile Originally created by Heather Hogan for AfterEllen.com. Each box has a Myers-Briggs type, its label, and the Pretty Little Liars character associated with it, along with a photo of the character. ISTJ (The Examiner): Mona Vanderwaal You make shit happen. No obstacle can stand in your way. And when the rules and regulations you usually trust in don’t work the way they’re supposed to, you make your own laws. You like order, loyalty, and matter-of-fact conversation. ISFT (The Protector): Paige McCullers You are a hard worker who deeply values relationships. You remember every nuance about people, and use your knowledge to do thoughtful things. You have a tendency to bottle up your emotions, which never turns out well. INFJ (The Teacher): Ella Montgomery You are so nurturing and intuitive that your friends sometimes think you’re psychic. You find meaning in exploring ideas and helping other people learn about the things that inspire you. INTJ (The Mastermind): Alison DiLaurentis You are a natural leader who loves to devise strategies to solve complex conundrums. You’re skeptical and sometimes cynical, and you demand perfection from yourself and the people around you. ISTP (The Pragmatist): Cece Drake You are super independent and adventurous, and willing to try most things at least once. You're not a big fan of following rules, preferring instead to determine cause and effect and create your own path accordingly. ISFP (The Artist): Maya St. Germain  You are a free spirit, which means you relish your freedom and space. You do not like conflicts, disagreements, or having other people force their opinions on you. You feel things deeply and sometimes take things too personally. INFP (The Idealist): Emily Fields You are a Hufflepuff unicorn who lives to make people's lives the most awesome. You are a good listener who puts others at ease. Hard facts? Psh, who needs them? You rely on your feelings to show you the correct path. INTP (The Planner): Jenna Marshall There is no problem you can't solve because you are wildly adaptable. You're very good at reading people, and don't mind correcting them when necessary. You have an uncanny ability to stay on task. ESTP (The Realist): Ashley Marin You are pragmatic in the extreme. You care very little for theories or abstract ideas, preferring instead to live in the moment. You make spontaneous decisions. Your personal style is very important to you, as are material things. ESFP (The Performer): Tippi the Bird You are an outgoing, friendly, lover of life who thrives in situations where you get to work with others to achieve a common goal. You're fun, you're flexible, and you love experiencing new things with new people. ENFP (The Life of the Party): Aria Montgomery You are a warm, enthusiastic, creative individual who wakes up every day excited about life's possibilities. Routines and traditions bore you. Why wear regular jewelry when you can wear bird feathers in your ears? ENTP (The Visionary): Shana CostumeShop You are outspoken, resourceful, and you thrive when presented with new challenges. You break rules for giggles and will sometimes pick a fight just to watch two people debate. ESTJ (The Supervisor): Veronica Hastings You are a results-driven, super organized person. You think things through quickly and react quickly and do not mind standing up to people who challenge you. You like structure and order; you especially like "giving orders. ESFJ (The Provider): Pam Fields Your main goal in life is to please the people you love and create a happy family. You're kind and cooperative and usually very unwilling to dive into conflict. Warm and loyal, you really want to be seen (and appreciated) for who you are. ENFJ (The Giver): Hanna Marin Nearly everyone you meet is drawn to your warmth and charisma. You are very in tune with the needs and feelings of those around you and are happy to help them achieve their goals by imparting your hard-won wisdom upon them. ENTJ (The Field Marshal): Spencer Hastings You love to be in charge more than just about anything else in life. You like to plan and set goals and you can be quite forceful when trying to get other people to follow your strategies. You're smart, savvy, and convinced you're always right.
Four bottles of wine, each of which has a large letter on it and a strip of fabric tied around it to represent each Liar’s fashion. Spencer: Cren del Cufo 2012 Nebbiolo Langhe (the label has a yellow owl on it) with a herringbone fabric strip Emily: Urban 2012 Riesling with a green and gray plaid fabric strip Hanna: Territorial 2009 Rose of Pinot Noir (the label has two pink flamingos) with a white fabric strip with splotchy black spots Aria: Chandon California Blanc de Noirs sparkling wine with a black lacy fabric strip
Things We Referenced Completely Unrelated to PLL
Pat from the GMMTV show แค่เพื่อนครับเพื่อน (Bad Buddy), leaning out a window and looking concerned. He is wearing white t-shirt with a large gray logo that is the silhouette of a person playing racquetball, with the words Hilton Head over it.
Pat wearing the same shirt, but this time sitting in his bedroom at his drum kit, playing drums and looking out the window.
Fashion Analysis

Our special guest Dylan’s favorite was the outfit that Hanna was wearing in line for the coffee stand, while Cameron and Deepa thought the outfit Aria wore in the same scene was best. Deepa also liked Aria’s coat at the boutique, and Spencer’s excellent side braid

Aria and Hanna are standing in the courtyard of Rosewood High School, in line at the coffee stand. Aria is wearing a dress with black and pink flowers in many different shades, along with brown knee-length boots and a black leather jacket. Hanna is wearing two brown tops layered over each other, one of which has a kind of marbled color pattern, with black jeans.
Aria and Hanna are standing in the courtyard of Rosewood High School, in line at the coffee stand. Aria is wearing a dress with black and pink flowers in many different shades, along with brown knee-length boots and a black leather jacket. Hanna is wearing two brown tops layered over each other, one of which has a kind of marbled color pattern, with black jeans.
The Liars are in a boutique, looking at Jenna looking in the mirror. Aria is wearing a knee length pale-blue coat with black fur trim, large square pockets at the hips, and buckles at the top.
The Liars are in a boutique, looking at Jenna looking in the mirror. Aria is wearing a knee length pale-blue coat with black fur trim, large square pockets at the hips, and buckles at the top.
Spencer is also sitting in the cafeteria, looking down. She’s wearing a white button-down with a cream-colored cardigan over it that has a black jagged line pattern down it. Her hair is all in a French side-braid.
Spencer is also sitting in the cafeteria, looking down. She’s wearing a white button-down with a cream-colored cardigan over it that has a black jagged line pattern down it. Her hair is all in a French side-braid.

Meanwhile Cameron loathed Spencer’s weird cow-head print dress, Dylan hated Aria’s matching polka dots, and Deepa gave worst outfit just to Emily’s beanie

Spencer is standing in the door of a classroom, smiling tightly. She’s wearing a belted dress that has vertical mauve stripes and large patterns of cow heads across the chest and hem. The sleeves are also bunchy, and her waist belt is black, while she’s wearing black leggings underneath. She also has a long necklace with what looks like a rectangular brown pendant, and her hair is in a bun.
Spencer is standing in the door of a classroom, smiling tightly. She’s wearing a belted dress that has vertical mauve stripes and large patterns of cow heads across the chest and hem. The sleeves are also bunchy, and her waist belt is black, while she’s wearing black leggings underneath. She also has a long necklace with what looks like a rectangular brown pendant, and her hair is in a bun.
Aria is sitting in a window seat, smiling, while wearing a black short-sleeved top with large white polka-dots and some red on the shoulders. She is also wearing a cloth headband that exactly matches the top.
Aria is sitting in a window seat, smiling, while wearing a black short-sleeved top with large white polka-dots and some red on the shoulders. She is also wearing a cloth headband that exactly matches the top.
Emily is sitting at a table in the cafeteria, looking concerned. She is wearing a green long-sleeved top and white-ish vest, but more importantly, she is wearing a knitted gray/off-white beanie that is huge.
Emily is sitting at a table in the cafeteria, looking concerned. She is wearing a green long-sleeved top and white-ish vest, but more importantly, she is wearing a knitted gray/off-white beanie that is huge.

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